Re: This old chestnut again

Subject: Re: This old chestnut again
From: "CapDev Communications" <capdev -dot- communications -at- gmail -dot- com>
To: "eleysium -at- gmail -dot- com" <eleysium -at- gmail -dot- com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:19:04 -0800

We've been using OpenText Livelink for document management, and it's working
fairly well. Livelink includes version history and an audit feature so that
you can see who's checked out a document and when.

For whatever it's worth . . .

Pat


On 11/15/07, eleysium -at- gmail -dot- com <eleysium -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
>
> I store Frame files on SharePoint now, but one problem is that they don't
> generate any version history. Every time I check a Frame file out and in,
> SharePoint treats it like a brand new file - no version history for non-MS
> files as far as I can tell.
>
> I tried using Master Docs in SharePoint and it didn't work well at all.
>
> JW
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 8:27 AM, <WilliamFLawrence -at- eaton -dot- com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Having Sharepoint around does not obligate you to use Word. I've spent
> > part of my career as a Sharepoint administrator and frankly you can use
> > it to do pretty much whatever you want. If your source is in Docbook or
> > Dita XML, or even in good ol' fashioned Frame files, just use it as a
> > repository that you access through "web folders." It'll look pretty
> > much just like part of the network file system to your tools.
> >
> > The other thing that you can do is to use Acrobat Pro to run your
> > reviews as "shared reviews" of PDF documents. Acrobat Pro knows about
> > Sharepoint and can use it as a repository for the review copy and for
> > all of the reviewer comments (which are stored in separate XML files).
> > No worries.
> >
> > Also, there are third-party XML additions to Sharepoint that make it a
> > true XML repository. I've not played with them, so I can't vouch for
> > their capabilities.
> >
> > By the way, I'll echo what everyone else has said about master
> > documents: they don't work. What does work (not that your management
> > will allow it) is to use the master document feature in Open Office
> > Writer to create the books from your Word files.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: techwr-l-bounces+williamflawrence=eaton -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
> > [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+williamflawrence=eaton -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com]
> > On Behalf Of jopakent -at- comcast -dot- net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:13 PM
> > To: Word List; TECHWR
> > Subject: This old chestnut again
> >
> > I've been looking through the archives for a bit now and I'm not seeing
> > anything "recent" on this topic. The last post I found was back in 04.
> >
> > I know (in my heart anyway) that the list of gruesome horrors one can
> > unleash by using Word's master document "feature" has almost certainly
> > not gone away. I'm almost certain that I've seen queries relating to
> > Word 2003, not so sure about 2007.
> >
> > The problem, Sharepoint is heading our way. That is NOT going to change.
> > We'll deal with that. The problem is that one of the chief proponents of
> > this roll-out is touting that because Sharepoint is so tightly
> > integrated with MS Office, when we upgrade to 2007 in Q1, we'll be able
> > to use Word to create xml-based, single source documents, relying on
> > Words powerful master documents feature.
> >
> > Seriously, that last sentence is not (intentionally anyway) designed to
> > be considered as a Bulwer-Lytton contest entrant. I understand that the
> > "xml" that we get from a MS product will not truly be xml. I also
> > understand that Sharepoint is not (without ridiculous amounts of
> > customization) going to perform the CMS functions we will need to
> > perform true single sourcing. I also know that relying on master
> > documents to document combination is just stepping into madness.
> >
> > My problem? (sorry for the long setup) I'm trying to find a couple of
> > posts that document the nightmarish scenario of relying on master
> > documents to do actual work. I know there are 1 or 2 (maybe even 3)
> > people who claim that there is a use for these (other than as a means of
> > getting your writers to head for the exits), but I'm not looking for the
> > outliers, I'm trying to tap into the main-stream, conventional wisdom.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to an article, white paper, post, etc. that will
> > help me avoid this cruel fate?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --
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References:
This old chestnut again: From: jopakent
RE: This old chestnut again: From: WilliamFLawrence
Re: This old chestnut again: From: eleysium

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