Re: Subject: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering

Subject: Re: Subject: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
From: magk -at- mindspring -dot- com
To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:56:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)

I have seen this problem with Word, even if you close the file and send it as an email attachment.

To avoid this problem, do not open the Word file directly from the email. Save it to the hard drive and open it from there.

I hope this helps.
Gina King
Technical writer

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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. RE: 7 days (Dori Green)
> 2. RE: Work group / workgroup (Dori Green)
> 3. Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering (Poshedly, Ken)
> 4. RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering (Jonathan West)
> 5. Re: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering (Al Geist)
> 6. RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
> (Jessica Weissman)
> 7. RE: Pretzel Font (Brasel, Russell)
> 8. RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing (Dori Green)
> 9. RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering (Poshedly, Ken)
> 10. RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing (Dan Goldstein)
> 11. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Dori Green)
> 12. Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Gregory P Sweet)
> 13. RE: Arrrghgh English (was FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!) (Dori Green)
> 14. Re: Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Barry Campbell)
> 15. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Gregory P Sweet)
> 16. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Sarah Bouchier)
> 17. RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing (John Posada)
> 18. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Combs, Richard)
> 19. Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (Susan Hogarth)
> 20. Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Al Geist)
> 21. This is a test (Al Geist)
> 22. RE: This is a test (Sarah Bouchier)
> 23. Re: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (Barry Campbell)
> 24. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Dori Green)
> 25. RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing (Dori Green)
> 26. Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields (tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com)
> 27. Re: This is a test (Al Geist)
> 28. RE: This is a test (Combs, Richard)
> 29. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (James Barrow)
> 30. RE: This is a test (Brasel, Russell)
> 31. RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (Dori Green)
> 32. RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (Brasel, Russell)
> 33. RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (Beth Agnew)
> 34. Re: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
> (CapDev Communications)
> 35. Life as a Contractor (James Barrow)
> 36. RE: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields (Chinell, David F (GE Indust, Security))
> 37. Re: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields (Ned Bedinger)
> 38. /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com)
> 39. Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (Gene Kim-Eng)
> 40. Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Ned Bedinger)
> 41. Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (Al Geist)
> 42. Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (Barry Campbell)
> 43. RE: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (James Barrow)
> 44. RE: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields (Thomas Johnson)
> 45. Extensions and dots in filenames (Cardimon,Craig)
> 46. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (John Garison)
> 47. Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates (Gene Kim-Eng)
> 48. Re: How many technical writers wear different hats?
> (Pro TechWriter)
> 49. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (Peter Neilson)
> 50. RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Kathy Bowman)
> 51. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (Gene Kim-Eng)
> 52. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (John Garison)
> 53. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (Dick Margulis)
> 54. Re: Extensions and dots in filenames (Guy K. Haas)
> 55. Re: Where's the beginning? (was RE: When to Spell Out
> Acronyms) (Kat Nagel)
> 56. Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Edgar D' Souza)
> 57. Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Edgar D' Souza)
> 58. Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Edgar D' Souza)
> 59. Re: Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day! (Edgar D' Souza)
> 60. Re: This is a test (Edgar D' Souza)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:49:30 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: 7 days
>To: "TECHWR-L" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPCEKKCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Susan Hogarth wrote:
>
>If someone says '7 days' ina business document, but does not *specify*
>business days or calendar days, do you assume calendar days?
>
>I think I know the answer... but I don't like it ;-)
>
>*********
>
>I personally assume _nothing_. I have seen it argued in court that if it is
>not specified in a contract, the receiver is free to apply whichever
>definition is most advantageous for them. The author of the contract cannot
>come back later with "but that wasn't what I meant".
>
>It was a long time ago but I do remember clearly that the judge agreed.
>
>Wow, another application for tech writers -- lawyers' offices! ;-)
>
>Dori "Cross That Topic" Green
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:59:32 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Work group / workgroup
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPMEKKCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Lev Abramov wrote:
>
>1 result for: workgroup
>View results from: Dictionary
>
>workgroup: Computer Supported Cooperative Work
>
>*************
>
>I stand corrected. As I said in my post, I did a very quick search and it's
>possible I misspelled "workgroup". If this is all that dictionary.com came
>up with, I'm also not sure I would have recognized this as a definition!
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:37:10 -0500
>From: "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com>
>Subject: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <737AFC2CC600B3419487F80030A84AC1015E3798 -at- kp04s152 -dot- KP04D1 -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>MS Word question, folks.
>
>I'm posting my question here because I'm really not sure what "keywords"
>to use in asking this of Microsoft's automated help thingy. Anyway . . .
>
>I've created an automatically generated (i.e., numbered) TOC for my
>document (about 30 pages or so) where the page numbers are "simple" (not
>hyphenated, but just 1, 2, 3 and so on). (The document also includes
>automatically numbered section and sub-section numbering.)
>
>The client company (that my company is working for) requires the
>document in Word for changes to be made on their end. (This is a
>requirement.)
>
>While in the document, I use "File > Send To > Mail Recipient (as
>attachment)" to create the e-mail.
>
>Problem: Before sending the document, I opened the Word file attachment
>in my e-mail and saw that all of the TOC page numbers had changed to the
>number "3". As a test, I sent the e-mail to another employee nearby my
>desk, and when we opened the e-mail and Word file on his terminal, the
>TOC page numbers were all the number "4".
>
>Obviously, there is some unexpected sequential auto numbering going on,
>but I don't know how to prevent this.
>
>I'm in a time-crunch situation, so I indicated to the client the Word
>glitch and said to disregard the TOC entries, and that I will fix things
>on this end later. .
>
>Question: How to stop this from occurring again?
>
>I will be glad to send the offending Word file to anyone off-list who
>may want to check this out personally.
>
>-- Ken in Atlanta
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 14:42:16 -0000
>From: "Jonathan West" <jwest -at- mvps -dot- org>
>Subject: RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HAECKNMKGPHEAPOHBOMLEEHJCJAA -dot- jwest -at- mvps -dot- org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>>
>> While in the document, I use "File > Send To > Mail Recipient (as
>> attachment)" to create the e-mail.
>
>Don't do that. Instead, save the document, close it, start your email
>program and attach the document as a file to the email you send the
>customer.
>
>Regards
>Jonathan West
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:44:42 -0500
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574345A -dot- 9090202 -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Hi Ken,
> Just a thought, but I had my Figure numbers go skitzoid the other day. The
> problem had to do with using Tracking Changes when using Word 2000. It
> would arbitrarily set the script to auto number starting with 1 and skipping
> all the even numbers. If you have change tracking turned on...turn it off
> and see if that helps.
> Al
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:53:17 -0500
>From: "Jessica Weissman" <Jessica -dot- Weissman -at- hillcrestlabs -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>To: "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com>,
> <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <36E4692623C5974BA6661C0B18EE8EDF510CB4 -at- MAILSERV -dot- hcrest -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>This is a known problem. It shows up when you send a word file as an
>Outlook attachment, and the recipient has Allow Starting in Reading
>Layout checked (Tools, Options, General, upper right of the window).
>
>All you have to do to prevent it is to save the document in Normal view
>(as opposed to Layout view) just before sending. You can re-open layout
>view before sending as long as you don't save that way.
>
>Jessica Weissman
>Hillcrest Laboratories
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>techwr-l-bounces+jessica -dot- weissman=hillcrestlabs -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+jessica -dot- weissman=hillcrestlabs -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr
>-l.com] On Behalf Of Poshedly, Ken
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:37 AM
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>
>MS Word question, folks.
>
>I'm posting my question here because I'm really not sure what "keywords"
>to use in asking this of Microsoft's automated help thingy. Anyway . . .
>
>I've created an automatically generated (i.e., numbered) TOC for my
>document (about 30 pages or so) where the page numbers are "simple" (not
>hyphenated, but just 1, 2, 3 and so on). (The document also includes
>automatically numbered section and sub-section numbering.)
>
>The client company (that my company is working for) requires the
>document in Word for changes to be made on their end. (This is a
>requirement.)
>
>While in the document, I use "File > Send To > Mail Recipient (as
>attachment)" to create the e-mail.
>
>Problem: Before sending the document, I opened the Word file attachment
>in my e-mail and saw that all of the TOC page numbers had changed to the
>number "3". As a test, I sent the e-mail to another employee nearby my
>desk, and when we opened the e-mail and Word file on his terminal, the
>TOC page numbers were all the number "4".
>
>Obviously, there is some unexpected sequential auto numbering going on,
>but I don't know how to prevent this.
>
>I'm in a time-crunch situation, so I indicated to the client the Word
>glitch and said to disregard the TOC entries, and that I will fix things
>on this end later. .
>
>Question: How to stop this from occurring again?
>
>I will be glad to send the offending Word file to anyone off-list who
>may want to check this out personally.
>
>-- Ken in Atlanta
>__________________________
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:53:54 -0600
>From: "Brasel, Russell" <russell -dot- brasel -at- hccredit -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Pretzel Font
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <D73F396E246FCC4FB3B5FAEF53CB8D670279F4E1 -at- hcspdea001 -dot- helpcard -dot- net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I can just see my next documentation guideline update: "All Subheaders
>must be Arial bold 18 point. Body text must be Pretzel 12."
>
>Personally, I'm holding out for Cheeto 14, Pocky 12, and PSBagel 10
>(Poppyseed bagel).
>
>RGBrasel
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:59:40 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPCEKMCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>John,
>
>If you check back through the thread, you will see that it was not me who
>made the "fox" comment that seems to have offended you.
>
>If you were offended in any way by what I _did_ write, I gladly apologize.
>I have nothing but admiration and respect for the contributions you have
>made to this list and the technical writing profession.
>
>I am also a person who is a straight-shooter and gives honest advice when
>asked. The "experts" who discouraged me from openly discussing salaries did
>so by terminating my job when they caught me breaking the "unwritten rule"
>not to do so. Such things tend to stick with a person. I was attempting to
>openly express my own discomfort with the topic and offer permission to
>address it to other list members who might also be less than comfortable
>with it, not an unwillingness to discuss it.
>
>I have been paid $90,000 for contract work in New Jersey and I did receive
>an offer to return there at a starting permanent salary of $75,000, so I do
>know that the highly-paid jobs are out there and I never implied that they
>aren't, or that they aren't well-deserved. You erred when you assumed that
>I doubted the existence of such jobs, and you were rude when you assumed to
>know what I think or feel about reaching for such jobs. Any time anybody
>wants to know what I think or feel, just ask me -- but do not reach into my
>brain and grope around without an invitation, please.
>
>We do agree that salary is not the only measurement for "success" in any
>profession. If a tech writer wants to live in a depressed rural area to
>stay closer to family and be actively involved in the environmental and
>economic future of that area, the salary might not match STC projections and
>might have to be balanced against other considerations.
>
>Your response was misdirected and inaccurate, but I do still admire and
>respect you as a person and as a writer. Conflict is often (and usually) an
>excellent way to reach better understanding.
>
>When the offending comment was made I thought it was abrupt (and rude)
>enough to be not worthy of a reply, and maybe not my "place" to reply. If I
>may, I'll do so now:
>
>"No, I wasn't thinking of anybody in particular. I'm sure there's more than
>one, and there should be more than a dozen." That might have made it more
>clear that somebody else made that comment and that I did not agree. For
>failing to clarify that point by not replying, I also apologize.
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:09:19 -0500
>From: "Poshedly, Ken" <PoshedlyK -at- polysius -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>To: "Jessica Weissman" <Jessica -dot- Weissman -at- hillcrestlabs -dot- com>,
> <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <737AFC2CC600B3419487F80030A84AC1015E3799 -at- kp04s152 -dot- KP04D1 -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Jessica ! YOU win the prize - a full-color 20077 callendar with hiddn
>typos for yu to finde.
>
>Seriously, thanks much.
>
>-- Kenpoh
>In Atlantah
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jessica Weissman [mailto:Jessica -dot- Weissman -at- hillcrestlabs -dot- com]
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:53 AM
>To: Poshedly, Ken; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: RE: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>
>This is a known problem. It shows up when you send a word file as an
>Outlook attachment, and the recipient has Allow Starting in Reading
>Layout checked (Tools, Options, General, upper right of the window).
>
>All you have to do to prevent it is to save the document in Normal view
>(as opposed to Layout view) just before sending. You can re-open layout
>view before sending as long as you don't save that way.
>
>Jessica Weissman
>Hillcrest Laboratories
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>techwr-l-bounces+jessica -dot- weissman=hillcrestlabs -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+jessica -dot- weissman=hillcrestlabs -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr
>-l.com] On Behalf Of Poshedly, Ken
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:37 AM
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Word problem -- Unexpected TOC page numbering
>
>MS Word question, folks.
>
>I'm posting my question here because I'm really not sure what "keywords"
>to use in asking this of Microsoft's automated help thingy. Anyway . . .
>
>I've created an automatically generated (i.e., numbered) TOC for my
>document (about 30 pages or so) where the page numbers are "simple" (not
>hyphenated, but just 1, 2, 3 and so on). (The document also includes
>automatically numbered section and sub-section numbering.)
>
>The client company (that my company is working for) requires the
>document in Word for changes to be made on their end. (This is a
>requirement.)
>
>While in the document, I use "File > Send To > Mail Recipient (as
>attachment)" to create the e-mail.
>
>Problem: Before sending the document, I opened the Word file attachment
>in my e-mail and saw that all of the TOC page numbers had changed to the
>number "3". As a test, I sent the e-mail to another employee nearby my
>desk, and when we opened the e-mail and Word file on his terminal, the
>TOC page numbers were all the number "4".
>
>Obviously, there is some unexpected sequential auto numbering going on,
>but I don't know how to prevent this.
>
>I'm in a time-crunch situation, so I indicated to the client the Word
>glitch and said to disregard the TOC entries, and that I will fix things
>on this end later. .
>
>Question: How to stop this from occurring again?
>
>I will be glad to send the offending Word file to anyone off-list who
>may want to check this out personally.
>
>-- Ken in Atlanta
>__________________________
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:09:20 -0500
>From: "Dan Goldstein" <DGoldstein -at- riverainmedical -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <0ADA9A22B5BC2147B360A22FD2BAD25C89B5BE -at- RMGBEX01 -dot- rmg -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Time... out!! When did this get serious?
>
>Dori made a light-hearted reference to a "crazy guy" making a certain
>salary... I responded with a light-hearted reference to "crazy like a
>fox" Posada... And all of a sudden, geez...
>
>My fault, I guess. No one here is crazy, and I'm sure we'll all agree
>that there are no foxes in tech writing. Or tech writers in foxholes. Or
>something. Anyway, back to work, me.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dori Green
>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:00 AM
>> To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>> Subject: RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing
>>
>> If you check back through the thread, you will see that it
>> was not me who made the "fox" comment that seems to have
>> offended you...
>>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:09:43 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: "techwr-l" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPMEKMCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
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>Ed wrote:
>
>Bryan wrote: I would invariably pass a number of vehicles in the median
>stuck.
>
>...explain what this "median stuck" is?
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Only guessing, but I think he meant:
>
>"I would pass vehicles stuck in the meridian."
>
>Many US 4-lane highways include barrier strips between the directional lanes
>(N-S or E-W). These strips are known as "meridians".
>
>If your vehicle starts sliding out of control on icy roads, it is usually a
>good idea to steer for the meridian. The outside area is more likely to
>have a deep ditch, poles, or trees.
>
>Sliding and coasting to a halt with your fan belt packed with snow, and
>having to wait for a tow truck to get you back to the road, is much better
>than slamming into one of those outside obstructions at 60 miles per hour.
>So most of us "steer for the meridian". The phrase has also come to mean
>"aim for the lesser of two evils".
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:10:19 -0500
>From: Gregory P Sweet <gps03 -at- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>
>Subject: Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com,
> techwr-l-bounces+gps03=health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID:
> <OF234185DC -dot- 760EFECA-ON8525723A -dot- 0051AB2F-8525723A -dot- 00535B25 -at- notes -dot- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
>
>Sandy asked:
>> Oh, and what is the mean number of people, broken down by mode of
>> transport, who end up on the median at this time of year? :o)
>
>In my experience traversing the length of the New York State Thruway from
>Albany to Buffalo and back for family visits etc.:
>Decidedly 2:1 Tractor-trailers (lorries, to the UK type if I spelled that
>correctly) and 4 WD vehicles to the average family sedan.
>Though as family sedans tend to have more passengers than large cargo
>haulers, the people number probably leans to that side of the equation.
>
>We get more snow/ice mix round these parts two, and people just do not seem
>to get that just because all four wheels are pushing you forward, does not
>mean you will stop and faster, or have any better control on icy roads.
>Though, you might have it easier getting yourself out of that snowbank (or
>off the median) if you haven't buried yourself too deeply.
>
>The big truck drivers are the ones I just don't get at all. You'd think
>they'd slow down just a tad after passing the first one that's slid 1/4
>mile off the high way into some farmer's field. Several tons of machinery
>and cargo moving at 80 mph = a large amount of momentum. If it's snowing I
>can count on seeing at least half a dozen off the road in the 300 mile
>stretch between Albany and Buffalo.
>
>Gregory P. Sweet
>Health Media Training Specialist
>
>Bureau of HEALTHCOM Network Systems Management
>New York State Department of Health
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:16:43 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Arrrghgh English (was FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!)
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPGEKNCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Not that I completely trust it any more ;-) but from dictionary.com --
>
>
>Median Strip, Median, and Meridian are all regional synonyms for the buffer
>strip between opposing highway lanes.
>
>Just in case anybody else was confused.
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:20:57 -0500
>From: "Barry Campbell" <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <d24834c90612040720k66e3054ch32d4e6eb030a6366 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Sandy asked:
>> Oh, and what is the mean number of people, broken down by mode of
>> transport, who end up on the median at this time of year? :o)
>
>I ride the New York City subway to and from work every day, and I'd
>say about 30% of the people on the train, like me, are broken down by
>our mode of transport.
>
>- bc
>
>--
>Barry Campbell -- <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Blog: http://campbell-online.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:20:56 -0500
>From: Gregory P Sweet <gps03 -at- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l-bounces+gps03=health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com,
> techwr-l <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <OFD498CCFE -dot- 809738D8-ON8525723A -dot- 00538798-8525723A -dot- 005453FD -at- notes -dot- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
>
>60 mph in snowy/icy conditions? You don't happen to have 4 wheel drive do
>you?
>Perhapse you'd spend less time in the median waiting for a tow truck if you
>just backed off the gas a bit?
>;^)
>
>Gregory P. Sweet
>Health Media Training Specialist
>
>Bureau of HEALTHCOM Network Systems Management
>New York State Department of Health
>
>> Sliding and coasting to a halt with your fan belt packed with snow, and
>> having to wait for a tow truck to get you back to the road, is much
>better
>> than slamming into one of those outside obstructions at 60 miles per
>hour.
>> So most of us "steer for the meridian". The phrase has also come to mean
>> "aim for the lesser of two evils".
>>
>> Dori Green
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:25:56 -0000
>From: "Sarah Bouchier" <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: "Gregory P Sweet" <gps03 -at- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>,
> <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l-bounces+gps03=health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com,
> techwr-l <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <E2775C238CA9CA43AFBE393655D36952E14D3C -at- xmail -dot- exony -dot- local>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>>60 mph in snowy/icy conditions? You don't happen to have 4 wheel drive
>do
>>you?
>
>I'll admit to having driven at 60mph in snowy conditions. The dual
>carriageway had been cleared and gritted, so I was quite safe zooming
>happily down it.
>
>The slip road off, on the other hand...
>
>I have a very clear memory of staring at the roundabout at the bottom of
>the slip road as I approached it at 60mph with no traction. I also have
>a very clear memory of driving sedately away from it.
>
>What happened in the bit in between, however, is anybody's guess.
>Suggestions are welcomed...
>
>S.
>---
>Sarah Bouchier
>l33t texnical 4uth0r d00d
>
>exony
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:29:56 -0800 (PST)
>From: John Posada <jposada01 -at- yahoo -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing
>To: dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com, techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <185245 -dot- 12850 -dot- qm -at- web35410 -dot- mail -dot- mud -dot- yahoo -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>--- Dori Green <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> If you check back through the thread, you will see that
>> it was not me who made the "fox" comment that seems to
>> have offended you.
>
>Dori...it wasn't the "fox" part that I objected to. it was the
>initial "some crazy guy" part that I did.
>
>I'm ready to drop this as a misunderstanding on both sides. Deal?
>
>
>John Posada
>Senior Technical Writer
>
>"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is."
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:50:42 -0700
>From: "Combs, Richard" <richard -dot- combs -at- Polycom -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <AABEB232F95338499DF8F513EE2B2C784C2D74 -at- WSTEXCH00 -dot- westminster -dot- polycom -dot- com>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>> >A 'central reservation' here is a place where American Indians go to
>> >play bingo.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Incidentally, my wife just informed me that the Cherokee also
>> had a written language before the Europeans landed.
>>
>> I also wanted to add that a lot of "non-Indians" play bingo
>> at their local churches.
>
>Jeez, what a buzz-kill! When did Friday Fun come to be followed by
>humorless, hypersensitive, self-righteous Sunday?
>
>Richard
>
>
>------
>Richard G. Combs
>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
>------
>rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
>303-777-0436
>------
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 19
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:53:53 -0500
>From: "Susan Hogarth" <hogarth -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <3889aa560612040753y106c9b7dhcf7715eca3c2d29b -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Any opinions on this outfit from people familiar with them?:
>
>http://www.shipleywins.com/
>
>Other suggestions for proposal-writing courses? Books? Software? Prayers? ;-)
>
>--
>Susan Hogarth
>http://www.colliething.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 20
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:54:57 -0500
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <457444D1 -dot- 7010109 -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
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>
> When it is not humor.
> Al
> Combs, Richard wrote:
>
>A 'central reservation' here is a place where American Indians go to
>play bingo.
>
>
>
>
>
>Incidentally, my wife just informed me that the Cherokee also
>had a written language before the Europeans landed.
>
>I also wanted to add that a lot of "non-Indians" play bingo
>at their local churches.
>
>
>Jeez, what a buzz-kill! When did Friday Fun come to be followed by
>humorless, hypersensitive, self-righteous Sunday?
>
>Richard
>
>
>------
>Richard G. Combs
>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
>------
>rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
>303-777-0436
>------
>
>
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>Message: 21
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:04:03 -0500
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: This is a test
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>Message: 22
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:05:52 -0000
>From: "Sarah Bouchier" <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: This is a test
>To: "TECHWR-L" <TECHWR-L -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
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>> I gotten this message twice today. Anyone else getting them?
>
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>Message: 23
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:07:12 -0500
>From: "Barry Campbell" <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: "Susan Hogarth" <hogarth -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Cc: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
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>On 12/4/06, Susan Hogarth <hogarth -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
>
>> Any opinions on this outfit from people familiar with them?:
>>
>> http://www.shipleywins.com/
>
>Shipley is one of the main proposal methodology consulting firms in
>the United States, the other being SM&A. If you want a much less
>expensive glimpse at the Shipley method than you'll get by engaging
>them as consultants or going through their paid training, you can
>order the following book from Amazon.com:
>
>Shipley Associates Proposal Guide for Business and Technical Professionals
>http://www.amazon.com/Associates-Proposal-Business-Technical-Professionals/dp/0971424411/
>
>Amazon.com has it for $59.95, but it seems to be backordered; it may
>be available for immediate shipment from Shipley
>(http://www.shipleywins.com/books_tools/proposal_guide.html)
>
>It's as close as there is to a "standard text" in the field of
>proposal development, and forms the basis of the best practices and
>certifications for the Association of Proposal Management
>Professionals (apmp.org).
>
>By the way, if you do proposal work, APMP is worth joining for their
>quarterly journal alone, but doubly or triply so if there's an active
>local chapter near you. Susan, I seem to remember that you're in NC,
>and there's an active Carolina chapter based in the RTP area.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>- bc
>
>--
>Barry Campbell -- <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com> -- <barry -at- campbell-online -dot- com>
>Blog: http://campbell-online.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 24
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:09:54 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: "techwr-l" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPIELACDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Greg Sweet wrote:
>
>60 mph in snowy/icy conditions? You don't happen to have 4 wheel drive do
>you?
>Perhapse you'd spend less time in the median waiting for a tow truck if you
>just backed off the gas a bit?
>;^)
>
>***************
>
>I personally deal with such conditions even more drastically -- by staying
>off the main roads in such weather, much less the 4-lanes. I do wish that
>some of the people spinning past me on those curves and hills at
>deer-leaping dusk would remember that 55 is the speed _limit_, not the
>required minimum, and 45 at such times is a perfectly reasonable speed.
>
>Living in the country just 8 miles from the office does help. I drive a
>Ranger XLT; the only thing "4" about it is the number of wheels and
>cylinders. It gets me there but we admittedly don't have that many steep
>hills here in the Lake Plains region, five miles from the Lake Ontario
>southern shore.
>
>My mother taught me about steering for the meridian when I was 16 and we
>decided to try to outrun a hurricane back to Rochester NY from Charleston
>SC. It caught and passed us -- we went up a hill in Virginia and everything
>was clear, down the other side in DC with six-foot drifts and black ice.
>
>Mom steered for the meridian instead of the looming forest. Which is how I
>know about the fan belt being packed with snow. Mom was going maybe 40 when
>she hit the ice; the cop estimated it was at least 60 when she went into the
>drift and he gave her a $100 ticket for "excessive speed for conditions" at
>the same time that he praised her skill and wisdom to choose the meridian.
>
>I would _never_ drive that fast in bad conditions, cannot fathom why other
>people do, and will probably some day feel somehow responsible for an
>accident because somebody slammed into an oncoming car while they were
>spinning past me on a curvy hill.
>
>I was half an hour late for work in that freak storm we had in October
>because I stopped six times to make sure that people who had slid into the
>ditches on the back roads were okay. Never did get my fancy silver
>emergency blanket back from that guy who had his cell phone so he could call
>the tow truck, but no coat to keep him warm while he waited for it. Sigh.
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 25
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:09:54 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opportunities in Technical Writing
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPKELACDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>John Posada wrote,
>
>I'm ready to drop this as a misunderstanding on both sides. Deal?
>
>***************
>
>Absolutely.
>
>Dori Green
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 26
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:11:45 -0500 (EST)
>From: "tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com" <tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com>
>Subject: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <20061204161145 -dot- F131839E2 -at- email -dot- iwon -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>Is anyone familar with the term:
>
>"Error! Objects cannot be created from editing field codes."?
>
>I have a doc that a client has filled with graphics that he took from PowerPoint with SnagIt (BMP) and cut and pasted into the document.
>
>I have created the Figure Captions and when I update fields, the graphics go away and that statement is in it's place as a field code.
>
>Anyone else come across this and do you know how I can fix it? I have done a couple of fixes by copying the graphic into Illustrator and saving it for web as PNG 24 or a GIF but it seems to lose quite a lot of quality.
>
>There are also over 20 graphics.
>
>
>
>Tommy Green
>Indentured Contractor
>
>
>
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>Message: 27
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:13:21 -0500
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: This is a test
>To: TECHWR-L <TECHWR-L -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <45744921 -dot- 30000 -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
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>I was worried myself.... I even used extra strong soap for my morning
>shower and still got the message....so, then I figured it was my
>personality.
>
>Al
>
>Sarah Bouchier wrote:
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>>> I gotten this message twice today. Anyone else getting them?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh good. I was starting to wonder whether I smelled or something.
>>
>>S.
>>---
>>Sarah Bouchier
>>Technical Author
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>--
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>Al Geist
>Technical Writing, Online Help, Marketing Collateral, Web Design, Award
>Winning Videos, Professional Photography
>Voice/Msg: 802-658-3140
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>Cell: 802-578-3964
>E-mail: al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com <mailto:al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>URL: www.geistassociates.com <http://www.geistassociates.com> (online
>portfolio/resume)
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>See also:
>URL: www.geistimages.com <http://www.geistimages.com> (fine art prints
>for home for office, and note cards for all occasions)
>
>"When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether
>to answer "Present" or "Not guilty.""
> Theodore Roosevelt
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>Message: 28
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:14:48 -0700
>From: "Combs, Richard" <richard -dot- combs -at- Polycom -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: This is a test
>To: "TECHWR-L" <TECHWR-L -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>, "Al Geist"
> <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
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>Al Geist wrote:
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>> I gotten this message twice today. Anyone else getting
>> them? As far as I
>> know, I've been a list member for quite a long time and I
>> haven't dropped
>> that subscription. I sent a message to Eric, but haven't
>> gotten a reply yet,
>> so I'm doing some of my own testing.
>> *** NOTE: ***
>>
>> Your message was sent from an address which is not on the list
>> of people who are authorized to post to this mailing list.
>> Therefore, your message has been forwarded to the list maintainer
>> for manual processing.
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>> If you do not see your message appear on the list or in the
>> mailing list archives within a few business days, you may wish
>> to contact the mailing list maintainer to investigate the delay.
>>
>> -- W3C Postmaster
>> [1]http://www.w3.org/Mail/
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>Did you notice whom it's from? It's not Techwr-L, it's W3C. Someone
>seems to have subscribed a W3C list address to the Techwr-L list. You're
>getting this message because you're posting. Stop posting.
>
>BTW, that's a joke. Unless, of course, you decide it's not.
>
>Richard
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>Richard G. Combs
>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
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>Message: 29
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:08:46 -0800
>From: "James Barrow" <vrfour -at- verizon -dot- net>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <001c01c717be$7ab07c00$6401a8c0 -at- us -dot- deloitte -dot- com>
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>>Ned Bedinger said:
>>>Al Geist wrote:
>>>>James Barrow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>A 'central reservation' here is a place where American Indians go to play
>>>>bingo.
>>>
>>>I find your attempt at humor to be in poor taste.
>>
>>Superficially, I think it sounds like a s***kicker who doesn't have an
>>original observations to joke about.
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>Oh Ned, your words are like tiny, tech writer daggers:^) But, when I think
>about it, a cowboy tech writer sounds pretty funny. Maybe there's a cartoon
>strip in that.
>
>>But I think it is funny as a mockery of the incongruous, high contrast
>>meanings of the word *reservation* as applied to the highways of UK and the
>>sovereign Indian lands in US.
>
>Outstanding, Bedinger, you've now moved up two spots on my "Favorite Tech
>Writer" list. Actually, I've never heard the term 'central reservation'
>applied to highways or traffic. And I live in the land of traffic jams.
>
>>I picture clowns setting up a bingo game in the middle of a divided
>>highway. I think it is a word joke, not a people joke.
>
>You're getting into the realm of free association, and if I comment, I'll
>have to charge you for a session. Oh, and you moved up another spot.
>
>>Still, if you've heard the recent news items about the virulent bigoted
>>stuff that certain Hollywood celebrities have spewed, you know that
>>entertainers are capable of ugly, irrational attacks on people of other
>>persuasions. And in that context, this misunderstanding makes the most
>>sense.
>
>You're reaching on that one. The only thing that entertainers and I have in
>common is the same geographical region. A joke's a joke, and people
>shouldn't look too hard into them to find offense. On that note, I don't
>think anyone should be offended by your use of the words s**tkicker, clown,
>and referring to people in the banking, lending and gambling industries as
>"dirty" ;^)
>
>>I just hope the virus going around the entertainment industry doesn't
>>infect tech writers. If tech writers lashed out, we'd have manuals that
>>begin with wretched laments:
>
>Again, you're reaching here. There's not a 'virus going around', and
>there's nothing in particular going on in the entertainment industry.
>Racism still exists in the world whether we're talking about a comedian in
>Hollywood, or a cowboy in Oklahoma. The only difference is that the cowboy
>isn't on stage in front of 150 people and 14 cameras.
>
>>"I'll bet you've come crying to me because you're in over your head and
>>don't know what to do. What the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you work
>>in a field you're qualified for, instead of burdening everyone around with
>>the work you're paid to do? You should be ashamed. It sucks to be you."
>
>Although this has nothing to do with the virus that you mentioned, it's
>pretty funny (when taken in context).
>
>>>They don't want a casino.
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>>The history of out-groups is full of cases where they were driven to the
>>dirty jobs like banking, lending, and gambling. More power to them!
>
>Wow, this makes it difficult for me to look my bank manager in the eye this
>morning ;^)
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>>>A bit of perspective. Did you know that the Iroquois Nation had a
>>>representative democracy during the same period...
>[]
>>The full story is yet to be read from the archeology, (I don't know if
>>an oral tradition is alive), but pre-discovery civilization was apparently
>>a powerhouse of social organization
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>Native Americans seemed to be doing just fine when the Europeans landed.
>[]
>>BTW, thanks Al. I like your brand of stand-up, especially the way it
>>sticks up for inconvenient truths. You go, boy!
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>Al was being serious, I was doing the stand-up. HTH.
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>For what it's worth, I do regret any offense that my comment caused Al and
>his wife. I do respect Al's opinions and feelings.
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>Message: 30
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:23:26 -0600
>From: "Brasel, Russell" <russell -dot- brasel -at- hccredit -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: This is a test
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <D73F396E246FCC4FB3B5FAEF53CB8D670279F57E -at- hcspdea001 -dot- helpcard -dot- net>
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>My posts seem to be going through, despite the message.
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>RGBrasel
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>Message: 31
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:30:01 -0500
>From: "Dori Green" <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: "TECHWR-L" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <HFEFKEECOFNMGKOMDFLPKELCCDAA -dot- dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>
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>Susan Hogarth wrote,
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>Any opinions on this outfit from people familiar with them?:
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>http://www.shipleywins.com/
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>I attended their 4-day "How to Write Winning Government Proposals" course
>back in the late Eighties. Still have the book.
>
>I was more than a little disappointed that the major emphasis (for $1200
>tuition -- thank goodness the company paid it) was on just three points:
>
>1. Build a personal relationship with a representative of the granting
>authority before you
> even start the proposal process.
>
>2. Make your proposal pretty but don't choose glitz over content meat;
>don't leave them
> asking "Where's the beef?" Glossy paper will not bring your proposal to
>the top if
> content is not there, but sloppy presentation might take it to the
>bottom even with
> the best content in the world.
>
>3. Read the requirements very carefully and be very sure that you'll be
>able to meet those
> requirements -- especially the reporting requirements. Most granting
>authorities want
> proof that their money went where you said it would.
>
>There certainly was more information presented, maybe it's just that these
>were the three items that stuck with me. It might be impressive that they
>"stuck" for such a long time.
>
>Dori Green
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>Message: 32
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:31:54 -0600
>From: "Brasel, Russell" <russell -dot- brasel -at- hccredit -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <D73F396E246FCC4FB3B5FAEF53CB8D670279F597 -at- hcspdea001 -dot- helpcard -dot- net>
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>During graduate school, we used Writing Proposals by Richard
>Johnson-Sheehan. It's on Amazon.com for-gasp!-58.00 USD. (Mine was
>only 20.00, just a few years ago.) It's geared toward business
>proposals, rather than grant proposals, though. For general RFPs, I'd
>look at Bud Porter-Roth's Request for Proposal, which is also on the
>same web page.
>
>As far as taking courses, though, I'd look at nearby universities to see
>if they offer a course on Grant writing.
>
>RGBrasel
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>Message: 33
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:45:51 -0800
>From: Beth Agnew <Beth -dot- Agnew -at- senecac -dot- on -dot- ca>
>Subject: RE: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <CBEJLKMCJJHPFMDLEFKDEEFECDAA -dot- beth -dot- agnew -at- senecac -dot- on -dot- ca>
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>There's some tricky stuff that you learn from experience and if you have a
>good proposal-writing mentor. One of the things that stood out for me,
>learning from an old hand at great proposals, was to be careful of the
>questions you ask the RFP contacts. In the ones I was working on, they
>published all questions and answers to every bidder to keep things fair. But
>if you're not careful, your question may tip your hand and reveal a key
>methodology, strategy, or directio to your competitors.
>
>--Beth
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>
>Beth Agnew
>Professor, Technical Communication
>Seneca College of Applied Arts & Technology
>Toronto, ON 416-491-5050 x3133
>http://www.tinyurl.com/83u5u
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>Message: 34
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:15:29 -0800
>From: "CapDev Communications" <capdev -dot- communications -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Opinions on Shipley and other proposal teaching courses
>To: "Beth Agnew" <Beth -dot- Agnew -at- senecac -dot- on -dot- ca>
>Cc: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
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>If you are looking for a course in grant proposal writing, I recommend the
>Foundation Center's course, developed by Jane Geever. I know Jane from my
>fundraising days in New York, and she is very solid. The Foundation Center
>has branch libraries in New York, Washington, D.C., San Francisco,
>Cleveland, and Atlanta. The Foundation Center is nonprofit and its prices
>for courses and publications are reasonable. Check
>http://foundationcenter.org.
>
>Best,
>Pat Egan
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>
>On 12/4/06, Beth Agnew <Beth -dot- Agnew -at- senecac -dot- on -dot- ca> wrote:
>>
>> There's some tricky stuff that you learn from experience and if you have a
>> good proposal-writing mentor. One of the things that stood out for me,
>> learning from an old hand at great proposals, was to be careful of the
>> questions you ask the RFP contacts. In the ones I was working on, they
>> published all questions and answers to every bidder to keep things fair.
>> But
>> if you're not careful, your question may tip your hand and reveal a key
>> methodology, strategy, or directio to your competitors.
>>
>> --Beth
>>
>>
>> Beth Agnew
>> Professor, Technical Communication
>> Seneca College of Applied Arts & Technology
>> Toronto, ON 416-491-5050 x3133
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/83u5u
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>Message: 35
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:44:51 -0800
>From: "James Barrow" <vrfour -at- verizon -dot- net>
>Subject: Life as a Contractor
>To: "'TECHWR-L'" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
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>This pretty much sums it up:
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>http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20061204.html
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>Message: 36
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:02:01 -0500
>From: "Chinell, David F \(GE Indust, Security\)"
> <David -dot- Chinell -at- GE -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields
>To: <tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
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>Tom:
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>I experience that as well (Word 2000). I think it happens when Word loses track of some vital bit of information about the application that created the object. My fix is always to open the previous version, copy the graphic and paste it into the new version. No changes, no nothing. It never seems to happen twice to the same graphic, so once I've replaced it with itself, I'm solid.
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>Bear
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: techwr-l-bounces+david -dot- chinell=ge -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+david -dot- chinell=ge -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com]On
>Behalf Of tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:12 AM
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating fields
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>Is anyone familar with the term:
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>"Error! Objects cannot be created from editing field codes."?
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>I have a doc that a client has filled with graphics that he took from PowerPoint with SnagIt (BMP) and cut and pasted into the document.
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>I have created the Figure Captions and when I update fields, the graphics go away and that statement is in it's place as a field code.
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>Anyone else come across this and do you know how I can fix it? I have done a couple of fixes by copying the graphic into Illustrator and saving it for web as PNG 24 or a GIF but it seems to lose quite a lot of quality.
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>Message: 37
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:33:16 -0800
>From: Ned Bedinger <doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields
>To: tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574941C -dot- 8010804 -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>
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>tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com wrote:
>> Is anyone familar with the term:
>>
>> "Error! Objects cannot be created from editing field codes."?
>>
>
>Make a copy of the original document, select the entire document and
>press <Ctrl>+<Shift>+ <F9> to break all of the dynamic links in the
>document. If you had links that you wanted to preserve, start over and
>select the first PP slide and press <Ctrl>+<Shift>+ <F9> , and repeat
>for each slide. Update the document fields. Do the pictures go away? If
>not, add your captions and update again. Do your pictures go away?
>
>If you're still having problems with it, google for the error message
>text (Objects cannot be created from editing field codes). Google showed
>me a couple of MS troubleshooting procedure documents and some
>independent discussions of the problem going back to Word 2000.
>
>My personal take on this, as an erstwhile Word dilletante who has tried
>and tired of pushing Word uphill since well before the 2000 release, is
>that "Object Linking and Embedding" and its derivatives are best left to
>the Stunt Writers Guild. Word docs with linked or embedded objects can
>have the messy habit of blowing their brains out whenever a deadline
>approaches. I guess embedding is the lesser evil.
>
>Ned Bedinger
>doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com
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>Message: 38
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:49:10 -0500
>From: mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com
>Subject: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <88484FCE42800C499ED8254F9F5E35EF048ACF18 -at- EXCHCA1>
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>I've been wrong before (stop that snickering), but isn't
>$100K in a place like New York (NY) or Silicon Valley
>about the same as $85K in a place like... hmm Ottawa?
>
>When you consider relative costs of living - housing being
>a big one, barrista-dispensed coffee being another (for
>many people), a higher salary in one place would be
>offset by those higher ongoing costs for essentials, wouldn't they?
>
>
>Kevin (in Ottawa)
>
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>Message: 39
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:50:35 -0800
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <000e01c717ee$3abc6930$0100a8c0 -at- genekoptx2>
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>I'm not familiar with the cost of living on Ottowa, but
>I know tech writers in places here in the US who live
>better than I do (at least by the standard they apply to
>measure quality of life) on half of what I make here
>in Silicon Valley.
>
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:49 PM
>Subject: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
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>
>> I've been wrong before (stop that snickering), but isn't
>> $100K in a place like New York (NY) or Silicon Valley
>> about the same as $85K in a place like... hmm Ottawa?
>>
>> When you consider relative costs of living - housing being
>> a big one, barrista-dispensed coffee being another (for
>> many people), a higher salary in one place would be
>> offset by those higher ongoing costs for essentials, wouldn't they?
>
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>Message: 40
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:17:10 -0800
>From: Ned Bedinger <doc -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <45749E66 -dot- 80903 -at- edwordsmith -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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>James Barrow wrote:
>>> Ned Bedinger said:
>>>
>>>> Al Geist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> James Barrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A 'central reservation' here is a place where American Indians go to play
>>>>> bingo.
>>>>>
>>>> I find your attempt at humor to be in poor taste.
>>>>
>>> Superficially, I think it sounds like a s***kicker who doesn't have an
>>> original observations to joke about.
>>>
>>
>> Oh Ned, your words are like tiny, tech writer daggers:^)
>
>I was kinda thinking 'tiny farm implements' or maybe 'cake decorator
>utensils', but as long as I seem dangerous, I'm satisfied.
>
>
>> But, when I think
>> about it, a cowboy tech writer sounds pretty funny. Maybe there's a cartoon
>> strip in that.
>>
>
>Oooh! He could spout new verses about tech writing, sung to the tune of
>Marty Robbin's bronco-busting classic "Strawberry Roan." I'll gitcha
>started:
>
>I was hangin' 'round town, spending my time,
>Out of a job, not earning a dime.
>A fella walks up and he says "I suppose
>You're a tech writer by the looks of your clothes."
>"You figured me right. I'm a good one," I claim.
>"Do you happen to have any bad ones to tame?"
>He says , "I got one, a bad one to buck. For throwing good writers he's
>had lots of luck."
>
>
>
>>
>>> But I think it is funny as a mockery of the incongruous, high contrast
>>> meanings of the word *reservation* as applied to the highways of UK and the
>>> sovereign Indian lands in US.
>>>
>>
>> Outstanding, Bedinger, you've now moved up two spots on my "Favorite Tech
>> Writer" list. Actually, I've never heard the term 'central reservation'
>> applied to highways or traffic. And I live in the land of traffic jams.
>>
>
>OK, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. How is the list sorted?
>
>
>>> I picture clowns setting up a bingo game in the middle of a divided
>>> highway. I think it is a word joke, not a people joke.
>>>
>>
>> You're getting into the realm of free association, and if I comment, I'll
>> have to charge you for a session. Oh, and you moved up another spot.
>>
>
>You had me at "Game Theory." I hope we get to the ink blots soon, that's
>how I view language. Fun!
>
>
>
>>> Still, if you've heard the recent news items about the virulent bigoted
>>> stuff that certain Hollywood celebrities have spewed, you know that
>>> entertainers are capable of ugly, irrational attacks on people of other
>>> persuasions. And in that context, this misunderstanding makes the most
>>> sense.
>>>
>>
>> You're reaching on that one. The only thing that entertainers and I have in
>> common is the same geographical region. A joke's a joke, and people
>> shouldn't look too hard into them to find offense. On that note, I don't
>> think anyone should be offended by your use of the words s**tkicker, clown,
>> and referring to people in the banking, lending and gambling industries as
>> "dirty" ;^)
>
>I guess. Could my meaning be misconstrued? Let me be the first to
>apologize! :-)
>
>>
>>
>>> I just hope the virus going around the entertainment industry doesn't
>>> infect tech writers. If tech writers lashed out, we'd have manuals that
>>> begin with wretched laments:
>>>
>>
>> Again, you're reaching here. There's not a 'virus going around', and
>> there's nothing in particular going on in the entertainment industry.
>> Racism still exists in the world whether we're talking about a comedian in
>> Hollywood, or a cowboy in Oklahoma. The only difference is that the cowboy
>> isn't on stage in front of 150 people and 14 cameras.
>>
>
>All the world's a stage, no?
>
>
>>> "I'll bet you've come crying to me because you're in over your head and
>>> don't know what to do. What the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you work
>>> in a field you're qualified for, instead of burdening everyone around with
>>> the work you're paid to do? You should be ashamed. It sucks to be you."
>>>
>>
>> Although this has nothing to do with the virus that you mentioned, it's
>> pretty funny (when taken in context).
>>
>
>I was trying to damage the user's self esteem through the use of
>browbeating and humiliation. I guess some searing epithets would have
>helped. I also guess a better taxonomy of celebrity racial rants is
>needed also. I'm getting bored, lets do something else.
>
>>
>>
>>>> They don't want a casino.
>>>>
>>> The history of out-groups is full of cases where they were driven to the
>>> dirty jobs like banking, lending, and gambling. More power to them!
>>>
>>
>> Wow, this makes it difficult for me to look my bank manager in the eye this
>> morning ;^)
>>
>
>I know that feeling. It would be the visual equivalent of fingernails
>screeching on a chalkboard, eh?
>
>>>> A bit of perspective. Did you know that the Iroquois Nation had a
>>>> representative democracy during the same period...
>>>>
>> []
>>
>>> The full story is yet to be read from the archeology, (I don't know if
>>> an oral tradition is alive), but pre-discovery civilization was apparently
>>> a powerhouse of social organization
>>>
>>
>> Native Americans seemed to be doing just fine when the Europeans landed.
>> []
>>
>>> BTW, thanks Al. I like your brand of stand-up, especially the way it
>>> sticks up for inconvenient truths. You go, boy!
>>>
>>
>> Al was being serious, I was doing the stand-up. HTH.
>>
>
>Oh no! I feel a mockery coming on. *stifle* :-0
>
>> For what it's worth, I do regret any offense that my comment caused Al and
>> his wife. I do respect Al's opinions and feelings.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>
>Party on :-)
>
>
>--Ned
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 41
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:58:43 -0500
>From: Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <45749A13 -dot- 5090507 -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com wrote:
>
>>I've been wrong before (stop that snickering), but isn't
>>$100K in a place like New York (NY) or Silicon Valley
>>about the same as $85K in a place like... hmm Ottawa?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Everything is relative..... Over the last couple of years, newspapers
>frequently printed stories about families who moved from places like
>Silicon Gulch, New York, Boston, etc., and plopped down in places all
>over the Midwest. The significant drop in housing prices combined with
>a lack of congestion were two primary reasons for the moves. A house in
>Kansas was 30% of the cost of a similar size house in the San Francisco
>area of California. However, they also found that local wages were
>reduced by similar amounts. The fact that they ended up essentially
>buying their new houses outright make the move a lot more palatable. If
>you have the ability to work remote and a nice nest egg, you can "have
>your cake and eat it too." If you are thinking of moving to someplace
>with a lower cost of living and you don't have a humongous nest egg, you
>might be in for a rude awakening.
>
>Just observations from someone who has living in entirely too many
>places over the past five years......
>
>Al
>
>--
>
>Al Geist
>Technical Writing, Online Help, Marketing Collateral, Web Design, Award
>Winning Videos, Professional Photography
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>
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>
>See also:
>URL: www.geistimages.com <http://www.geistimages.com> (fine art prints
>for home for office, and note cards for all occasions)
>
>"When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether
>to answer "Present" or "Not guilty.""
> Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 42
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:13:19 -0500
>From: "Barry Campbell" <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: "mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com" <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
>Cc: TECHWR-L <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <d24834c90612041413q6669c65dk7598d008aa6b5378 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>On 12/4/06, mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com <mlist -at- safenet-inc -dot- com> wrote:
>
>> I've been wrong before (stop that snickering), but isn't
>> $100K in a place like New York (NY) or Silicon Valley
>> about the same as $85K in a place like... hmm Ottawa?
>
>Oh, it's potentially *much worse* than that.
>
>Salary in New York (Manhattan) NY: $100,000
>Comparable salary in Phoenix AZ: $46,607.87
>
>Salary in New York (Manhattan) NY: $100,000
>Comparable salary in Raleigh NC: $45,997.62
>
>Salary in New York (Manhattan) NY: $100,000
>Comparable salary in Austin TX: $46,603.10
>
>...see http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html
>
>- bc, lives in Manhattan, feels the pain every time he balances his checkbook
>
>--
>Barry Campbell -- <barry -dot- campbell -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Blog: http://campbell-online.com
>
>
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>
>Message: 43
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:20:39 -0800
>From: "James Barrow" <vrfour -at- verizon -dot- net>
>Subject: RE: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <004601c717f2$6e7f4ef0$6401a8c0 -at- us -dot- deloitte -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>>Gene Kim-Eng said:
>>>Kevin (in Ottawa) wrote:
>>>
>>>I've been wrong before (stop that snickering)
>
>Not snickering. It's a nervous twitch.
>
>>>but isn't $100K in a place like New York (NY) or Silicon Valley about the
>>>same as $85K in a place like... hmm Ottawa?
>
>Er...yes, without picking apart regions of the U.S. city by city.
>
>>>When you consider relative costs of living - housing being a big one,
>>>barrista-dispensed coffee being another (for many people), a higher salary
>>>in one place would be offset by those higher ongoing costs for essentials,
>>>wouldn't they?
>
>Seems to me that whenever I've worked with a contractor who was imported
>from the Bay Area (SF), the number one expense was housing. The housing
>rates that I recall were about as much as rates were recently after the
>housing boom.
>
>I'm not sure if a companies increase their compensation so that tech writers
>can afford a latte though.
>
>>I'm not familiar with the cost of living on Ottowa, but I know tech writers
>>in places here in the US who live better than I do (at least by the
>>standard they apply to measure quality of life) on half of what I make here
>
>>in Silicon Valley.
>
>This is an interesting comment. I'm not sure if this means that you make a
>boatload of cash, or if living costs are actually that much lower outside of
>the Silicon Valley.
>
>- Jim
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 44
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:28:27 -0500
>From: "Thomas Johnson" <tajohnson -at- microlinetc -dot- com>
>Subject: RE: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating
> fields
>To: "'Chinell, David F \(GE Indust, Security\)'"
> <David -dot- Chinell -at- GE -dot- com>, <tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com>,
> <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <002301c717eb$23974ca0$4b00000a -at- microline -dot- mtc>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>I wasn't paying attention to the start of this thread, but I just had a
>similar problem this afternoon. For some reason, when you copy the picture
>out of Word using the copy command, it reduces the color depth to 256
>colors. Doing a screen capture gets you the full color depth of whatever is
>there.
>
>A bit of investigation revealed a couple work-arounds. You can either save
>the Word document as HTML. Word will conveniently export the images in the
>document as *.jpg and *.png and place them in a new subfolder (*_files).
>
>Another method is to save the document as a PDF and then you can copy the
>images without losing color depth.
>
>At least I learned how to fix the problem so the last hour wasn't wasted.
>
>
>Thomas Johnson
>Microline Technology Corp.
>Traverse City, MI
>tajohnson -at- microlinetc -dot- com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: techwr-l-bounces+tajohnson=microlinetc -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+tajohnson=microlinetc -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On
>Behalf Of Chinell, David F (GE Indust, Security)
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 3:02 PM
>To: tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: RE: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating fields
>
>Tom:
>
>I experience that as well (Word 2000). I think it happens when Word loses
>track of some vital bit of information about the application that created
>the object. My fix is always to open the previous version, copy the graphic
>and paste it into the new version. No changes, no nothing. It never seems to
>happen twice to the same graphic, so once I've replaced it with itself, I'm
>solid.
>
>Bear
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: techwr-l-bounces+david -dot- chinell=ge -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+david -dot- chinell=ge -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com]On
>Behalf Of tom -dot- green -at- iwon -dot- com
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:12 AM
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Subject: Strange Word reaction concerning graphics when updating fields
>
>
>
>
>Is anyone familar with the term:
>
>"Error! Objects cannot be created from editing field codes."?
>
>I have a doc that a client has filled with graphics that he took from
>PowerPoint with SnagIt (BMP) and cut and pasted into the document.
>
>I have created the Figure Captions and when I update fields, the graphics go
>away and that statement is in it's place as a field code.
>
>Anyone else come across this and do you know how I can fix it? I have done a
>couple of fixes by copying the graphic into Illustrator and saving it for
>web as PNG 24 or a GIF but it seems to lose quite a lot of quality.
>
>There are also over 20 graphics.
>
>
>
>Tommy Green
>Indentured Contractor
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>Message: 45
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:56:18 -0500
>From: "Cardimon,Craig" <ccardimon -at- M-S-G -dot- com>
>Subject: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <51E59B0D4DEA524DB06CF177F172957D02FA7F22 -at- delmar -dot- m-s-g -dot- com>
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>If the word "extension" is specified and spelled out in the
>documentation, and the extension itself is given as ".xyz," is the dot
>(.) superfluous? Or is the reference manual simply being thorough?
>
>
>
>Craig
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>Message: 46
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:51:13 -0500
>From: John Garison <john -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574A661 -dot- 8060404 -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Common convention is to always include the dot.
>
>My 2¢,
>
>John Garison
>
>
>
>Cardimon,Craig wrote:
>> If the word "extension" is specified and spelled out in the
>> documentation, and the extension itself is given as ".xyz," is the dot
>> (.) superfluous? Or is the reference manual simply being thorough?
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>Message: 47
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:17:48 -0800
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: /S/a/l/a/r/y/ ... er... I mean rates
>To: <vrfour -at- verizon -dot- net>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <001601c717fa$6a4db990$0100a8c0 -at- genekoptx2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Everything is relative. To someone from one of the areas where tech
>writers make 50k or less, my paycheck would probably seem like a
>"boatload of cash." At least until they had to write a check for the
>mortgage or rent here.
>
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Barrow" <vrfour -at- verizon -dot- net>
>
>This is an interesting comment. I'm not sure if this means that you
>make a
>boatload of cash, or if living costs are actually that much lower
>outside of
>the Silicon Valley.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 48
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:23:17 -0500
>From: "Pro TechWriter" <pro -dot- techwriter -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: How many technical writers wear different hats?
>To: dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID:
> <6b35bddb0612041523u6430b0e2j516b530aa410f047 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Plus, goats will try to eat your shoes if you make them mad, that is, unless
>it's Billy, then he will butt you and knock you down! <grin>....horses don't
>usually do that, although the bad tempered ones will run forward while
>stretching their necks back to take a nip out of your leg....
>
>PT
>
>
>On 12/1/06, Dori Green <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com> wrote:
>>
>> Peter wrote:
>>
>> I run a pony ride <on the weekends>
>>
>> ********************
>>
>> LOL, maybe it's a TW thang! I take tourists out with packgoats at my
>> organic herb farm on the Erie Canal towpath.
>>
>> It does no good at all to lose patience with a goat. Much like SMEs they
>> get hysterical easily, have long memories, and carry a grudge into
>> pathological places. Which probably explains why equines are more
>> popular.
>>
>> Dori Green
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>Message: 49
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:41:17 -0500
>From: Peter Neilson <neilson -at- windstream -dot- net>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574C02D -dot- 30501 -at- windstream -dot- net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>At one time (on some operating systems) there was no
>dot and the filename was ABCDEF XYZ .
>
>If my math is correct, you can fit nine characters taken
>from the restricted set [0-9][A-Z] into 48 bits. That's
>four 12-bit words on a PDP-8, or six 8-bit bytes on some
>other machines. 36^9 is less than half of 2^48. Each
>character, nominally six bits, was compressed into about
>five-and-a-third bits. These kinds of bit-twiddled malarky
>were once Very Important. Now all they do is to speak
>volumes about the kind of person who would bother
>remembering the stuff.
>
>
>John Garison wrote:
>> Common convention is to always include the dot.
>>
>> My 2¢,
>>
>> John Garison
>>
>> Cardimon,Craig wrote:
>>> If the word "extension" is specified and spelled out in the
>>> documentation, and the extension itself is given as ".xyz," is the dot
>>> (.) superfluous? Or is the reference manual simply being thorough?
>
>
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>Message: 50
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:22:18 +1030
>From: "Kathy Bowman" <Kathy -dot- Bowman -at- saabsystems -dot- com -dot- au>
>Subject: RE: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com>, "techwr-l"
> <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Dori Green wrote:
>
> "Only guessing, but I think he meant:
>
> "I would pass vehicles stuck in the meridian."
>
> Many US 4-lane highways include barrier strips between the
>directional lanes (N-S or E-W). These strips are known as "meridians"."
>
>
>Meridian seemed off the mark so I went straight to the Macquarie
>Dictionary to check my understanding of the word and found these
>meanings:
>
>"noun 1. Geography
> a. a great circle of the earth passing through the poles and any
>given point on the earth's surface.
> b. the half of such a circle included between the poles.
>2. magnetic meridian.
>3. Astronomy the great circle of the celestial sphere which passes
>through its poles and the observer's zenith.
>4. a point or period of highest development, greatest prosperity, or
>the like.
>adjective 5. of or relating to a meridian.
>6. of or relating to midday or noon: the meridian hour.
>7. relating to a period of greatest elevation, prosperity, splendour,
>etc.; culminating. [Latin meridianus of midday, of the south; replacing
>Middle English meridian, from Old French"
>
>In Australia, we call the barrier strips in the middle of roads 'median
>strips'.
>cheers
>Kath
>
>
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>Message: 51
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:57:43 -0800
>From: "Gene Kim-Eng" <techwr -at- genek -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: "Cardimon,Craig" <ccardimon -at- M-S-G -dot- com>,
> <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID: <002a01c71808$5f65a390$0100a8c0 -at- genekoptx2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>Considering how many people I encounter these days who have
>either forgotton the MS-DOS conventions or just never learned
>them because their intros to computers came after long file
>names, in instances where the file extensions require discussion
>it is probably more important to include the dot now than it was
>during the olden times when DOS was the common OS.
>
>Gene Kim-Eng
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cardimon,Craig" <ccardimon -at- M-S-G -dot- com>
>
>If the word "extension" is specified and spelled out in the
>documentation, and the extension itself is given as ".xyz," is the dot
>(.) superfluous? Or is the reference manual simply being thorough?
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 52
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:04:10 -0500
>From: John Garison <john -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: Peter Neilson <neilson -at- windstream -dot- net>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574C58A -dot- 1000302 -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I have been around a long time (I worked for years before there were
>cathode ray tube monitors). While I can't claim to be an expert in all
>operating systems, as long as I can remember there's always been a dot
>between the filename and the filetype.
>
>But anyone today who is worried about alienating the three people still
>alive who might remember the situation Peter is referring to will
>certainly not confuse the 99.99999999999% of the people who expect to
>see a dot before the file extension.
>
>My 2¢,
>
>John Garison
>
>Peter Neilson wrote:
>> At one time (on some operating systems) there was no
>> dot and the filename was ABCDEF XYZ .
>>
>> If my math is correct, you can fit nine characters taken
>> from the restricted set [0-9][A-Z] into 48 bits. That's
>> four 12-bit words on a PDP-8, or six 8-bit bytes on some
>> other machines. 36^9 is less than half of 2^48. Each
>> character, nominally six bits, was compressed into about
>> five-and-a-third bits. These kinds of bit-twiddled malarky
>> were once Very Important. Now all they do is to speak
>> volumes about the kind of person who would bother
>> remembering the stuff.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 53
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:37:20 -0500
>From: Dick Margulis <margulisd -at- comcast -dot- net>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: John Garison <john -at- garisons -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <4574CD50 -dot- 5090409 -at- comcast -dot- net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>John Garison wrote:
>> I have been around a long time (I worked for years before there were
>> cathode ray tube monitors). While I can't claim to be an expert in all
>> operating systems, as long as I can remember there's always been a dot
>> between the filename and the filetype.
>>
>
>
>'Scuse me. I was programming computers before there were Selectric
>console devices (remember the B-2 typewriter with the testicle guard?).
>A file name was something you wrote in Magic Marker on the box of punch
>cards or else scribed on marking tape on a mag tape carrier. Operating
>system? What operating system. JCL was as good as it got, bubbeleh.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 54
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:02:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Guy K. Haas" <guy -at- hiskeyboard -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Extensions and dots in filenames
>To: "Dick Margulis" <margulisd -at- comcast -dot- net>
>Cc: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID:
> <51997 -dot- 65 -dot- 113 -dot- 40 -dot- 130 -dot- 1165284151 -dot- squirrel -at- webmail -dot- hiskeyboard -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>On Mon, December 4, 2006 5:37 pm, Dick Margulis wrote:
>
>> 'Scuse me. I was programming computers before there were Selectric
>> console devices (remember the B-2 typewriter with the testicle guard?).
>> A file name was something you wrote in Magic Marker on the box of punch
>> cards or else scribed on marking tape on a mag tape carrier. Operating
>> system? What operating system. JCL was as good as it got, bubbeleh.
>
>JCL was the New Thing (on the IBM 360) back in 1966/7 when I got into the
>racket.
>
>Before that, I wuz using an IBM 1620. Now THERE's one with no OS. Load
>the compiler deck, then run the source decks in with the console switches
>set ONE way. Watch for diagnostics on the typewriter. Any decks that did
>not generate diagnostics could then be run through again with the switches
>set the OTHER way so that an object deck would be punched. Then stack the
>bootstrap, the object deck, the subroutine library deck, and the data in
>the reader and Go For It.
>
>--Guy K. Haas
> Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 55
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:47:37 -0500
>From: Kat Nagel <kat -dot- lists -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Where's the beginning? (was RE: When to Spell Out
> Acronyms)
>To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID: <p06240802c19a86604878 -at- [10 -dot- 222 -dot- 10 -dot- 49]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
>Still catching up with last month's mail...
>
>At 12:51 PM -0500 2006/11/21, David Castro wrote:
>>What about providing alt text for acronyms
>>(using the TITLE attribute in a null link)? The user can float over
>>the acronym to have the spelled out version displayed in fly-over
>>text.
>>[snip]
>>What do y'all think of that idea? Feasible? Not obvious enough?
>
>
>Done that. Worked great on the compiled HTML help system I did
>several years ago. Sucks rocks on the Java Help system I'm working
>with now. <shrug> One of these days I'll have time to figure out
>what I'm doing wrong. For now, though, I'm just going back to using
>the acronym tag. The Keeper of the Templates doesn't like the
>dotted-line effect, but at least it works.
>
>--
>K@
>Kat Nagel,
>who will summarize the LCD monitor responses soon, but is currently
>learning what Year End means in a payroll/benefits administration
>company. Oof! Doesn't leave me much time for anything else.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 56
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:16:23 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <60ecd5ce0612042146s1454d1f0le358b2fa2c3774b1 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 12/4/06, Dori Green <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com> wrote:
>> Ed wrote:
>>
>> Bryan wrote: I would invariably pass a number of vehicles in the median
>> stuck.
>>
>> ...explain what this "median stuck" is?
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Only guessing, but I think he meant:
>>
>> "I would pass vehicles stuck in the meridian."
>>
>> Many US 4-lane highways include barrier strips between the directional lanes
>> (N-S or E-W). These strips are known as "meridians".
>
>Thanks, Dori... so "median" appears to be yet another contraction of a
>formal term...
>
>> Sliding and coasting to a halt with your fan belt packed with snow, and
>> having to wait for a tow truck to get you back to the road, is much better
>> than slamming into one of those outside obstructions at 60 miles per hour.
>
>60 mph roughly equals 90 kph (we're into the metric system here in
>India). I've never driven on ice, but I don't imagine I'd have the
>guts to push a car at 90 kph when it could lose all traction at any
>second on a nasty patch of ice!
>
>> So most of us "steer for the meridian". The phrase has also come to mean
>> "aim for the lesser of two evils".
>
>Interesting - thanks! :-)
>
>Regards,
>Ed.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 57
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:16:23 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com
>Cc: techwr-l <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <60ecd5ce0612042146s1454d1f0le358b2fa2c3774b1 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 12/4/06, Dori Green <dgreen -at- associatedbrands -dot- com> wrote:
>> Ed wrote:
>>
>> Bryan wrote: I would invariably pass a number of vehicles in the median
>> stuck.
>>
>> ...explain what this "median stuck" is?
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Only guessing, but I think he meant:
>>
>> "I would pass vehicles stuck in the meridian."
>>
>> Many US 4-lane highways include barrier strips between the directional lanes
>> (N-S or E-W). These strips are known as "meridians".
>
>Thanks, Dori... so "median" appears to be yet another contraction of a
>formal term...
>
>> Sliding and coasting to a halt with your fan belt packed with snow, and
>> having to wait for a tow truck to get you back to the road, is much better
>> than slamming into one of those outside obstructions at 60 miles per hour.
>
>60 mph roughly equals 90 kph (we're into the metric system here in
>India). I've never driven on ice, but I don't imagine I'd have the
>guts to push a car at 90 kph when it could lose all traction at any
>second on a nasty patch of ice!
>
>> So most of us "steer for the meridian". The phrase has also come to mean
>> "aim for the lesser of two evils".
>
>Interesting - thanks! :-)
>
>Regards,
>Ed.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 58
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:22:52 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: "Sarah Bouchier" <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com>
>Cc: techwr-l-bounces+gps03=health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com,
> techwr-l <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <60ecd5ce0612042152h469854b2q1b860f2dc6e4b7d6 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 12/4/06, Sarah Bouchier <Sarah -dot- Bouchier -at- exony -dot- com> wrote:
>> I'll admit to having driven at 60mph in snowy conditions. The dual
>> carriageway had been cleared and gritted, so I was quite safe zooming
>> happily down it.
>>
>> The slip road off, on the other hand...
>>
>> I have a very clear memory of staring at the roundabout at the bottom of
>> the slip road as I approached it at 60mph with no traction. I also have
>> a very clear memory of driving sedately away from it.
>
>You're probably a better driver than you know - that scenario is the
>stuff nightmares are made of :-)
>
>> What happened in the bit in between, however, is anybody's guess.
>> Suggestions are welcomed...
>
>Hmmm... this is strange. I have had a similar lack of recollection of
>what happened, in the couple of minor crashes I got into on my bike. I
>can remember what it was that I most probably did wrong that led to
>the crash, but darned if I can recollect the couple of seconds of the
>actual crash. Yet most of the people I've chewed the fat with about
>accidents are able to recount with split-second precision exactly what
>happened and how they reacted to make the best of what was happening.
>I'd think it was minor fiction if it wasn't for slow-mo replays of
>bike-racing crashes which I've seen on TV, where the rider is
>obviously kicking out at the sliding bike, trying to keep it away from
>his body (or vice-versa).
>Maybe I'm just slow.... :-/
>
>> S.
>> ---
>> Sarah Bouchier
>> l33t texnical 4uth0r d00d
>
>Aaaarggghhhhhh!!!
>
>Anyway, shouldn't that be "d00d3773"? Just asking... :-)
>
>Ed.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 59
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:11:13 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: Median Re: FRIDAY FUN: Snow day!
>To: "Gregory P Sweet" <gps03 -at- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us>
>Cc: techwr-l-bounces+gps03=health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com,
> techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
>Message-ID:
> <60ecd5ce0612042241q55d2da95lf035a4ef80959d14 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 12/4/06, Gregory P Sweet <gps03 -at- health -dot- state -dot- ny -dot- us> wrote:
>> The big truck drivers are the ones I just don't get at all. You'd think
>> they'd slow down just a tad after passing the first one that's slid 1/4
>> mile off the high way into some farmer's field. Several tons of machinery
>> and cargo moving at 80 mph = a large amount of momentum. If it's snowing I
>> can count on seeing at least half a dozen off the road in the 300 mile
>> stretch between Albany and Buffalo.
>
>... Deadlines?
>:-)
>I sometimes have a similar feeling that I'm doing something
>dangerously fast in order to make that deadline.
>
>Ed.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 60
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:15:34 +0530
>From: "Edgar D' Souza" <edgar -dot- b -dot- dsouza -at- gmail -dot- com>
>Subject: Re: This is a test
>To: "Al Geist" <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>
>Cc: TECHWR-L <TECHWR-L -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
>Message-ID:
> <60ecd5ce0612042245v6df7903ct664319207bdc5355 -at- mail -dot- gmail -dot- com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Yes, it appears everyone who's posted to the list since about 8 hours
>ago has been receiving these. I got three of them in response to three
>quick posts in succession. And my posts do appear to be getting
>through to the list (at least, my horror at leet-speak did! ;-)
>
>Regards,
>Ed.
>
>On 12/4/06, Al Geist <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com> wrote:
>>
>> I gotten this message twice today. Anyone else getting them? As far as I
>> know, I've been a list member for quite a long time and I haven't dropped
>> that subscription. I sent a message to Eric, but haven't gotten a reply yet,
>> so I'm doing some of my own testing.
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