RE: Why ISO 9000 really sucks

Subject: RE: Why ISO 9000 really sucks
From: "Miller, Alan" <Alan -dot- Miller -at- prometric -dot- com>
To: "TECHWR-L" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- raycomm -dot- com>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:48:11 -0400


Andrew, Geoff, you are close, but I get to keep the cigar. ISO 9000 and all that goes with it was intended to be part of a Quality Assurance program. Not one of those namby, pamby "Total Quality" things that HR wonks trot out, but a real program targeted at product quality. This entails a buncha stuff, only one of which is repeatability. And that's why ISO 9000 really sucks. It artificially shifts attention and resources from the product to the repeatability of the process.

When Andrew says "... it raises the price of goods," he's hit on the final test of a the effectiveness of a quality program. A quality program should add value to the product, through higher quality at the very least, without raising the cost. Or if it does, it should be in such a way that the user/buyer/consumer will view as valuable (the product lasts longer, performs more efficiently, is cheaper to maintain, is safer to use, has the best users' manual on the planet, etc.).

Just an old Level III inspector's view.

Al Miller
"Chief Documentation Curmudgeon"
Prometric, a part of the Thomson Corporation
Baltimore, MD

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Plato [mailto:gilliankitty -at- yahoo -dot- com]
Sent: Mon 8/5/2002 11:08 PM
To: TECHWR-L
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Subject: Why ISO 9000 really sucks



While I thank Eric for bringing up such a delightful topic as ISO 9000, I would
ask that he (and the rest of TECHWR-L) please refrain from assuming my opinion.
Like all living organisms, I am evolving. And just because I posting something in
1999 raving about ISO 9000 doesn't mean my feelings are the same today.

But, in this case they are about the same. But for new reasons.

The largest reason why ISO9000 sucks is because it raises the price of goods. Its
a largely uncessary certification process that uses up vital company resources.
This cost is ultimately passed on to the consumer in either cheaper quality goods
or more expensive goods.

The fact is, any complex manufacturing or production system must be analyzed,
documented, and improved as a matter of good business. Obtaining a meaningless
certification implies capability that might or might not exist. Its also just
another reason to prop up an industry - the auditing industry.

Certifications are one thing for an individual, a component, or an isolated
process. But trying to certify the entire operation of a business is absurd.
Especially since any decent business will immediately dispose of a process to
remain competitive and capable. Hence, auditing does not really provide any
meaningful insight. A company that develops a process merely to assuage auditors
is basically creating nothing of value. Somebody has to pay for this waste - and
that somebody is you, the consumer.

Andrew Plato


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